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Old 7th October 2010, 09:20 PM
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If this happened in SA its not that simple. If there were more queries on the target it might be considered to be checked. It have happened were some targets were sticky after being out in the field for a day or too.

I know as well that no target like theis were given last year.
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Old 8th October 2010, 11:01 AM
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Derek Peckover targets should be used solely for these World events. Tried and tested since when, the 80's? Still going strong! Marshals also need to be shooters or have at least some idea of what a split and hit is? Also with a string wrapped around a bush the target will clearly never fall! A target that is half way back needs and needs to be reset is clearly a hit, these were also not given and bullseye hits on the first target of the day were not given either.
Courses were spot on and indeed clearable on the 1st and 2nd days! Put them out at Weston this year and you would have been very lucky to hit 25
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Old 8th October 2010, 12:37 PM
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reading the replies from shooters who have shot comps here and abroad. their replys indicate that the balance of the targets used for the uk and abroad are correct. and using very small kills in the uk can make it a lottery reading the replies of weston park confirm this
In changing the format all that happens a few hundrew shooters all have a new format imposed on them so that a few can train to compete aboard once ayear not good

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Old 8th October 2010, 01:45 PM
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i dont think anyone has said the uk courses should be like the worlds, or a lottery... more that uk shooters could benefit from being exposed to a smaller target now and then. As ever, it's down to the course builder to provide the right flavouring, like a good curry, not bland, not rocket fuel, just something nice n tasty
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Old 8th October 2010, 02:01 PM
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The kill zone has to be of a size that tests the shooter not the consistency of the gun and the accuracy of manufacture of the pellet. If the gun and pellet combination cannot ALWAYS put EVERY shot in still air in a half inch hole then a half inch kill is too small.
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Old 8th October 2010, 02:05 PM
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Default reducers

there are pros and cons for and against redcucers . but if uk shooters are going to travel to shoot in the worlds then from the looks of it reducers are there to stay .

i think a couple on some courses would be great fun and good practice . i have a few 15mm kills up my own shoot and they are good practice as you have to be sure of your settings .

i also agree that if you put them at 40 yards plus then thats just silly. but a 15 mm kill at say 31 yards is a good target .

i also agree that 25 mm for some disaplines could be good fun
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Old 8th October 2010, 02:21 PM
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maybe I was wrong to say to try this at GP level first, would clubs be interested or regions to try them out at local shoots first? At least this would give us the flavour of what we mean for them to then be implemented into GP courses. I would look at them as an option that we COULD use, that doesnt mean we HAVE to use them?

It was just an idea for people who do want to shoot Worlds courses abroad as we wont have one in Britain for a years yet sadly. A 15mm kill zone at say max of 25yds isnt a bad shot, you know you would have to work hard at it in case of wind on the day. 25mm kills out to 40 yards, again just a thought, it makes you sharper when going for your shot. I hear alot of people saying a 35yd reducer isnt a hard shot, but it isnt a gimme???

Well Im just thinking out of the box to try new things for the sport. It wouldnt be fair on a new beginner shooting ridiculously hard courses at club or region level never mind at GP level. Thats why we all try and set a course to suit the audience we cater for. I simply said about these changes to see what people thought?

Would it really be an isue to have a 20yd 15mm kill on a GP course now and then?????? We talk about how good the courses were in Hungary etc, it would sharpen us all up for when we go awaay or for when we attend shoots in general.

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Old 8th October 2010, 02:22 PM
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Gents, these are a set of rules that were drafted ten years ago and have been implemented in the SWEFTA region ever since to allow best usage of our grounds. They have been criticised by some, but in the light of the way the international scene is moving, I would suggest they are actually quite relevant and forward thinking:

Field Target Class
(Regional Rules & Guidance Notes)
RATIFIED 18th October 2002

Open to any air rifle that abides by the relevant categories as defined within the current legislation. It is the responsibility of the individual owner to ensure that their rifle complies with all current statutory limits.
There will be no limitation on the design of the rifle. The rifle may be fitted with a fully adjustable stock or incorporate such home made or other after market modifications as deemed suitable by its owner. A single rifle sling, separate or otherwise, and/or a butt hook are permitted as a means of steadying the aim.
The use of bipods (or other devices that touch the ground) for supporting the rifle while taking a shot is not allowed. However they may be used for resting the rifle (with the muzzle facing in a safe direction) when not in use.
Where multi-shot magazine fed rifles are used, the magazine should be removed from the rifle between lanes. Rifles that are fitted with non-detachable magazines should only be loaded with sufficient pellets to complete a lane.

Any form of sighting system may be used. The use of a laser attached to a telescopic sight to give a low cost range finding system is permitted.
The use of separate electronic laser range finders is not allowed.

Any design of pellet that is completely made of lead or lead alloy may be used. Pellets made from other materials may be used provided that there is no risk from rebounds, ricochets or fragments returning to the firing line. Due to the risk from rebounds steel ammunition must not be used.

Event organisers (clubs or region) are expected to provide range officers (R.O.’s) to ensure safe and efficient running of the event. The R.O’s should be clearly identifiable by the use of armbands or high-visibility vests.
In the event of target related problems or any other down range problem the R.O. will signal a cease-fire by a single blast on a whistle, horn or similar audible device. An R.O. may request assistance from any person on the firing line to ensure rapid clearance of any problem encountered. When the problem has been rectified, the firing line will be reactivated by a double blast of a whistle or other audible device.
R.O.’s shall ensure that rules are observed and shall have absolute discretion in attending to any matter not specifically encompassed by these rules (or the guidance notes).

The normal marshalling system shall be the “buddy” type where partners score each other. Normally this will be based on pairs, however should circumstances dictate, groups of three can be allowed.
It is expected that competitors will find different partners from match to match. Partners shall be from different clubs. An exception will be allowed where a junior is partnered with a parent or guardian to fulfil the legal requirement of supervision by an appropriate person of over 21 years of age. Supervision of shooters who are under 17 years of age will be in accordance with current legal requirements (a shooting partner in competition does not necessarily constitute supervision of a shooter under 14 years of age).

Reactive targets shall be used. In this context the term reactive means that following a successful hit the target will give some visible indication, whereby a change in target profile, movement of the target or fall of the target occurs. The trip plate shall be of a contrasting colour to the faceplate (course builders should allow for shooters affected by colour blindness or other visual impairment).
Standard apertures shall not exceed 1¾ inches (45 mm) in diameter. The minimum distance for any target (for safety reasons) shall be 8 yards (7.3 metres). The maximum target distance shall be 55 yards (50.3 metres).
The course may also contain targets with reduced diameter apertures, provided that the total number of such targets does not exceed 40% of the total number of targets in the course with the following limitations:
a) Apertures of not less than 1 inch (25mm) may be used on freestyle targets to a maximum distance of 45 yards (41 metres).
b) Apertures of not less than 1/2 inch (12.5 mm) may be used on freestyle targets to a maximum distance of 25 yards (22.86 metres).
c) Apertures of 1 inch (25mm) may be used on positional targets to a maximum distance of 20 yards (18.3 metres).
Note: Course designers should bear in mind prevalent conditions when using small aperture targets. A maximum of 40% of reduced targets, should allow effective use of most areas of land where the number of distant targets is restricted due to lack of space, while allowing good usage of close terrain without making courses too easy or placing too much emphasis on the need for high price range finding scopes.

A full course of fire shall consist of not less than 25 targets. A full course of fire must be completed for a score to be deemed valid excepting any circumstance under Rule 12 (Leaving the firing line).
The number of standing shots in any one course is not to exceed 10% of the total number of targets in that course.
The number of kneeling shots in any one course is not to exceed 10% of the total number of shots in that course.
All shots must be taken from within a designated firing area.
All targets shall be clearly numbered and must be shot in numerical order.
In the event of a target being shot out of sequence, the competitor shall forfeit the omitted target, being credited with a ‘miss’ and resume shooting at the target immediately following it.
Out of sequence shots involving targets on another lane require the above procedure to be followed. In this case the target shot out of sequence shall be shot as normal upon reaching that lane.
Shots taken at any one lane should not exceed the total number of targets in that lane with the following exceptions:
1. Rule 8. Paragraph 2 (rectification of faulty targets).
2. Un-sighted shots with the knowledge of partner or R.O’s.
3. In a shoot-off situation.

Scoring shall be on the basis of one point for each hit and zero for a miss. A hit shall be awarded when the target reacts. If there is no visible reaction from the target a miss shall be scored. Hits shall be marked with an X and misses marked with a 0.
Any challenge to the above must be made prior to leaving the target. Any dispute not resolved at that time shall be referred to the R.O., whose decision shall be final. Any target found to be defective shall be repaired / replaced and re-shot. However, if upon examination, the trip plate has moved to a point where it has to be reset, the target shall be scored as a hit.
In the event of tied scores a count back of designated eliminator targets shall decide the final placings. In the event that scores remain tied a shoot-off may be used to decide positions. Shoot off targets to be decided by the event organiser.

Any shooting position is allowed, but some targets or lanes may be designated as ‘standing’, or ‘kneeling’. The prone position is not considered as a designated position (this does not prevent a shooter from using the prone position on freestyle targets).
A competitor shall make it known to the event organiser prior to shooting if they are unable, for whatever reason, to comply with a particular shooting position and obtain permission to use an alternative position provided no unfair advantage is gained.
Any type of clothing, glove, or footwear is allowed provided it is not a hazard to the shooter or other competitors.
The use of a seat is allowed; the maximum height for any form of seating is 4 inches (100 mm), including any backrest. The seat may be used as an aid to sitting or kneeling shots. Variations on this rule may be applied at the discretion of the event organiser in recognition of a competitor’s disability, providing that no unfair advantage is gained.
Definitions of shooting positions:
Freestyle: This can encompass the sitting and prone positions. No part of the rifle or any attachment may touch the ground or artificial / natural features for support. In the prone position the supporting arm forward of the elbow may not touch the ground or any object for support. Use of a sling is deemed acceptable.

Kneeling: There shall be only 3 points of contact with the ground (2 feet and 1 knee). The fore-end of the rifle must be supported by the weak hand, which in turn may not rest directly on the knee. A legal seat may be used to support the rear foot or ankle, or to keep the knee clean provided that the foot has contact with the ground
Standing: Any shot taken in a standing position without the aid of any support other than a sling if the competitor wishes to use one.

In the event of a competitor delaying excessively, the R.O. may time the lane, with the time starting when the eye is put to the sight. The time will be continuous, with the number of minutes allowed equating to the number of targets in that lane.
If the total time in minutes exceeds the number of targets on a lane, the competitor will forfeit any successful hit obtained after the expiry of the allotted time.

The penalty for un-safe practice or any form of cheating is disqualification, with the club or regional association reserving the right to take further action.

The competitors may leave the firing line under the following conditions
1. Voluntary abandonment of the shoot, in which case his score to that point will be presented as a valid result.
2. To effect a repair to equipment which has been rendered unsafe or incapable of firing a shot by whatever means. This does not include zero shift of optical equipment or poorly zeroed systems, an exception to this being should a rifle take a fall or severe knock on the firing line (e.g. by failure of sling or similar).
3. Any other occurrence, which is deemed valid by the R.O.’s (e.g. extreme weather conditions that may cause a safety hazard).
Note: In item 2, the R.O. can allow a competitor to replace the faulty part or equipment, but no visit to the zeroing range is allowed, unless permission is given by the R.O.

In the event of a ‘cease fire’ order, guns will be discharged into the ground, the muzzles dropped and actions left in the open position. Targets must not be sighted during a cease-fire. Guns will only be sighted, shouldered or discharged over a recognised firing line. Guns will always be kept un-loaded and un-cocked when not in use.

Classes of entry per the grading system as operated by the national association may be used. Shooters may elect to shoot in a higher grade. This will not affect their listed grading. Other classes may be used at the discretion of the organiser, details of which to be circulated in advance of the event.

The possession and/or consumption of any intoxicating substance (alcohol or illegal drugs) on the firing line is strictly prohibited. A competitor will not be permitted to handle or use a gun if the organiser discovers that they have consumed alcohol or illegal drugs prior to shooting, and will be asked to leave the club premises. The club and/or region reserve the right to pursue further action following any such misconduct.

Event organisers shall display a current and valid Certificate of Insurance and also a current copy of the regional rules.

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Old 8th October 2010, 03:18 PM
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if you can hit a 40mm kill at 40, you can sink a 15mm at 10 yds... but i don't think a worlds course is right for uk conditions... but there are days and times where a smaller kill could be utilised to good effect, even if it's just to cheat the average.

We shot reducers at cgc as a single lane (we did 6 x 6 because we didn't string, then called a cease after each lane and reset)... that went out to 30-35yds with 15's to 25's... you'd be suprised how many lower grade shooters got 4+ with regular occurance...

but as ever, if it's to be done, it has to be done right. If you're of the opinion that at 25mm at 9 yds is just really a kit test, why not move it out a tad and make it smaller to make it a shooting test?

I'm sure rich has some stats of who hits and misses what reducers on swefta courses...

I'll see if doc has one for the worlds courses... might give an indication of the difficulty people had with some sizes at some distances... the 22yd 15m kneeler was about on the limit i reckon, but i've said for a while that you could have paired closer kneelers with reducers... say a 40mm kill at 20yds with a 25mm at 25 in the same lane...

as ever, it's not mandated, just another tool in the box for a bit of different flavour now and then.
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Old 8th October 2010, 04:53 PM
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if you can hit a 40mm kill at 40, you can sink a 15mm at 10 yds... but i don't think a worlds course is right for uk conditions...
Depends on the day + wind really, cant say at Gp 1 and 7 i came out of the kill more than 8 times in 100 targets. Thats the sort of day a 15 ml kill out to 30 ish yards would have been a test.
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