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Old 19th August 2016, 06:59 PM
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Just arrived home after a very short trip to the FT World's in Portugal.
These are my thoughts and impressions of my short time there, others may have other views.
When Jackie and myself first registered for the world's last November, I asked if we could shoot in the same session, and was told yes, no problem.
I was entered as a Welsh team member shooting a pcp. I changed my mind, and decided to shoot a springer, I informed the Portuguese by email, telling them that I was no longer a team member, and would be shooting a springer, I also changed the registration form.
Several more emails were sent reminding them.
On Wednesday morning 17-8-16 we went to sign on, I reminded the gentleman on stats about my wife and myself shooting the same session, and that I was shooting a springer, he said he remembered the emails, and everything was ok, he then wrote our names down to remind himself.
The session and lane allocation did not come out until late Wednesday evening, and I was down as shooting a pcp.
After the briefing on Thursday morning, I spoke to a Marshall, and informed him that I was shooting a springer not a pcp, he then spoke to the Spanish lady chief Marshall who didn't speak English, and she said no, I'd have to go, and shoot the afternoon session, I asked that being there were plenty of free spaces on the afternoon session could my wife swap to the afternoon, and was told no. There was no compromise, no help, just no. After months of planning, practice and preparation, we were being told that we couldn't shoot the same session because of their poor organisation.
I managed to persuade Jackie to carry on, but after a few lanes she pulled out as she was to upset to carry on.

Whilst Jackie was on the course, I took my gun back to our hire car, found another Marshall, explained the situation to her, but it was too late.
When Jackie came back a short time later, we made the decision to cut our trip short, and return home, our plans and dreams ruined by poor Portuguese administration.

Now for my thoughts on the shoot for the short time we were there, (things may have improved since we left.)
There were no road signs to the shoot.
Car park. No prominent signs telling you were to go. No water provided, absolutely disgusting portable toilets, the two orange ones were terrible on Wednesday, and by Thursday they were unusable, they had not been emptied, there was no washing facility in them.
Very steep hill down to the zero range.
Only 4 or 5 fill bottles, all joined together, so trying to fill your gun was interesting.
Zero range, not enough cards out, and difficult to get close to them to check your ranges, luckily Simon Evans had his range finder with him, don't think the cards were changed on Wednesday. There were a few spinners and reset targets out, but nowhere near enough, and these were not painted Wednesday or Thursday.
Thursday morning.
The only board I saw informing people of their start time was next to the fill bottles, so easily missed.
Shooters drifted in dribs and drabs to the shoot assembly point as there seemed to be no clear instructions to go, on their arrival, the gate was locked, so you had to squeeze been a bush and concrete bollard.
There was a very long briefing, which unless you were near the front was difficult to hear. They then called out about 20 shooters names, and asked them to stay behind, all the other shooters went onto the course. It took about 30 minutes to sort ( some were taking the kneelers standing etc), and all had forms to confirm and sign
At the same time I was trying to sort the Portuguese administration problem.
So the planned 9am start turned into about a 10am start, from there things really went down hill.
Now you may think I have a axe to grind, its true, I do, but all of the above is described as I saw it.
In my opinion the Portuguese would have trouble organising a party in a brewery.
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Old 19th August 2016, 09:16 PM
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You try changing a hft session, we all talk? No chance
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Old 19th August 2016, 09:53 PM
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I am sorry to hear about your experience.

Why did you and your wife have to shoot the same session if you don't mind me asking? I know after them agreeing to your conditions that must have been a pain.

It sounds like a nightmare.

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Old 19th August 2016, 10:07 PM
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Old 20th August 2016, 07:18 AM
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Sorry to hear of your bad experience Peter ,still look on the bright side you will not have so far to travel next year.
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Old 20th August 2016, 07:24 AM
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I find your post really odd Pete for a number of reasons.

Firstly from day 1 it was made clear to us (EFTA) that springers and pcps would be in different sessions. Did WAFTA not pass that on? I know this because it meant Helen and I would be in different sessions and this is one of the reasons we chose the Solplay which would have been close enough for us to walk to (until the course location was changed by the government)

I understand the lane allocation didn't come out till late but it was also at the registration office and posted online, albeit that doesn't change the different sessions you'd have been in. It was posted on the door you walk through to register.

But to be clear, there was never any chance of you shooting the same session unless the ladies Pcp were with the springers. I can understand why you wanted to be assured you were shooting springer, but not why you think it would have kept you in the same session. Perhaps it was something not related by WAFTA?
But given the strength of their shooting and the inclusion in some teams I thought it was logical to expect they wouldn't be. However beyond logistics I'm not sure why this was so critical. It's highly unlikely given the length of a world's course line and the deliberate spreading of same country shooters along it that you'd have been together anyway. I barely saw other English springer shooters all day.

As for the other comments

No there were no signs. There was a map sent to every competitor via email and also mentioned for checking in the opening dinner Tuesday night. It had Gps coordinates. We also had a map in the Facebook page which Wales shooters were members of.

Road signs would have been a plus, but then with only perhaps 70 cars in the car park I guess most arrived by the coach service from the 2 main hotels that the Portuguese organised.

There was full catering at the car park from Tuesday. The loos at the top weren't good, but the 3 50 yds away on the plinking range were, as was the ones every 100 yds on the course line and the permanent ones around the arena in between the course and the plinking range. There was loads of water all around the course with the exception of lanes 1-5. On weds I saw several people carrying water up the line and handing it out to shooters.

Yes the short track to the plink was steep but you could just walk down the side and it was level. I'm not sure about the air, that was mentioned about others though.

Again the lanes were up at the registration desk. The gates were locked because you took a short cut via a side track instead of the actual paved path leading up to the registration office. To the side was the stairs leading up to that same point.

The targets were changed every day at least. I know this because I shot Tuesday, Weds and Thursday afternoon and they would have been battered by then. I assumed that meant they'd been changed after the heavier Pcp session. Each board was marked top left with the range in meters.

I heard about the long briefing. We had one as well. I think the problem was exasperated by those only reading the rules a few days before going. I seem to remember you asking about them yourself here just shortly beforehand.

Clearly the problem of the different sessions has coloured your opinion. That's a shame. But to say the Portuguese organisation was unsuccessful based upon that is disingenuous. There were things wrong and things that could be better. But that's the same for every organisation that is presented with issues unique to them.

I guess though with Wales hosting next year, your home country, it will all be beyond perfect. No doubt after the briefing tonight all will be looking forward to that. No doubt that will be down to the considerable efforts you personally will be putting in yourself to make it so. With your breadth of understanding of logistics, organisation and liasion I now expect you to be right at the helm 24/7 like many of the Portuguese and Spanish members were trying to make the event the best they could over 300 visiting shooters from 30 odd different countries, some who will be absolutely committed to the competition and some who may treat it as a holiday hotel organised excursion.

Doz mentioned yesterday how he thought there needed to be a position for shooter liasion, to help with all those strange problems that are unique but can be hard to conquer in a strange foreign speaking land. It sounds like you have the perspective to understand these issues and certainly appear to suggest you could do a superb job. It's a novel style to volunteering you have but I'm sure everyone appreciates you putting yourself forward like this.
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Old 20th August 2016, 07:48 AM
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I'm guessing Peter wanted to spend all his time not shooting , with his wife.
I understand after numerous emails this would have been frustrating , but if springers shoot a different session it would be incorrect to make an exception .
Organising a GP can be stressful , a weekends shooting very stressful . So to organise a weeks event with nearly 300 shooters from 30 different countries must be a logistics nightmare.
I'm no good at logistics but manual labour is my speciality so if I can help with the Worlds in Wales then just ask, even if this means missing the 2017 euros I don't mind.
Peter you should have packed your guns up and enjoyed what Portugal had to offer , there's always positives to take from a situation .
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Old 20th August 2016, 08:23 AM
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It's a same you both decided to pack it in Pete , I know the info had been about the bit regarding the sessions.

In fairness to the organisers they could not have let you shoot a different session to the other springers as that would have caused a major contravercy. It's obviously frustrating that someone had lead you to believe you could.

It's difficult Organizing major events especially with language barriers to contend with, I don't seem to have seen any major negatives as yet though.

Time will tell when it's all over and everyone has their say.

At the end of the day it's your decision to shoot or leave, disappointent aside I think I'd have cracked on and made the best of it.

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