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Old 26th July 2016, 01:12 PM
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To summarise that - have a look at the results for GP3 and GP4 and answer this question for me :
Do you think that a score of 43 at GP3 is the equivalent of a score of 34 at GP4 ?

It's not the fairest system, but because the number of Piston shooters is still very small, the chances of the opposite anomaly happening are far greater
Wales throws up other anomalies because it was a different thing PM Steve's score is 9 behind the highest of that session. So in relative tems, yes, kinda. 9 off the top in a tough session is the same as 7 off the top in an easier one. We know tough days stretch the scores apart.

The example of just one shooter turning up is flawed. Yes on a day they'd get 100%. But by the current method they could also have a score that doesn't count at all. Or try it this way. They beat 20 other spring gun shooters, but still dont get a score.

I'm not sure what the opposite would be, someone winning the grade on the day with a score they don't drop? That doesn't sound like an anomly to me. Remember steve didn't have that bad a day, he was still best springer shooter on the day. Everyone else had a worse day. Should their scores count for more then?
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The example of just one shooter turning up is flawed.
It wasn't an example, it was a question to illustrate how many shooters in a category would it need before it's a representative benchmark.

I think it's easy to agree that 1 shooter wouldn't be a good benchmark because they'd score 100% regardless of their score.

The question is - If 1 is too few, How many shooters does it take for a reasonable sample size? is it 2, 3, 5, 50 ?

That's the reason behind the score being taken from the top score out of everyone on the day, because the sample size is large enough that if a few of the top shots have a bad day, there's always someone to step up to the mark to give a representative benchmark.
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I think it's easy to agree that 1 shooter wouldn't be a good benchmark because they'd score 100% regardless of their score.
Get rid of the awarding 100% for not actually hitting 100% then you'd have a more accurate measure to start with.
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Get rid of the awarding 100% for not actually hitting 100% then you'd have a more accurate measure to start with.
You can only do that if you don't drop any scores.

Otherwise you will allow a shooter who avoids a shooter where 39 is the top of the day to be beaten when they turn up and barely anyone scores under 40.

You're in compettion against the other shooters. Otherwise it could be a postal league
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Get rid of the awarding 100% for not actually hitting 100% then you'd have a more accurate measure to start with.
You would.. I can't believe I'm going to say this.. but I agree with you

The 100% thing was to try to set a benchmark for the course difficulty, but what we're seeing alot these days is the top score is either 50 or 49 anyway regardless of how difficult the course is
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You can only do that if you don't drop any scores.
I agree, no dropped scores, no awarding 100% for not 100% and then divide the % by the number of targets shot for an accurate grade. Done
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the top score is either 50 or 49 anyway regardless of how difficult the course is
Maybe time to introduce 60yard targets then
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Maybe time to introduce 60yard targets then
Reducers out to 45yds first, surely
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