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Old 27th June 2013, 09:44 AM
skires skires is offline
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Thanks for the reply

I'm really not trying to discourage you fella. Goodness knows that it won't be easy for you given the problems you've stated. Shooting from a chair with the issues you mention will be difficult enough. I'm not suggesting for a second that you will have it easier than the able bodied people shooting prone.

The point that I was trying to make was that HFT is basically a prone shooting sport. Most of the shots are taken that way. In addition to that the course setters make it more difficult by putting targets in positions where a normal, comfortable prone position isn't possible. A simple 35 yard 25mm kill target would be quite easy in a normal prone position. Put the peg so the shooter is lying slightly downbank and then having to shoot up at a steepish angle because that 35 yard target is high up a tree and that now is not an easy target. I'm not saying it would be easy for you in your chair but you are not taking that shot as it was intended by the course setters and how most of the other competitors would take it. I can think of lots of examples where you wouldn't have been able to get to the peg. So you may be allowed to shoot it from a few yards away. That's fine but you are again not shooting the same target.

So are you actually shooting HFT? Or are you shooting a HFT course from a wheelchair? Can you accept that or do you want to be competing? You'd be competing against yourself and the course and your personal best ( to be honest that's what most of us do ) but you wouldn't be shooting the same course as most others.

That's why I said there's a difference between someone 'having a go' and someone competing in that HFT shoot. If you are happy with that and you can get around the courses safely then go for it fella and enjoy.

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Old 27th June 2013, 10:32 AM
DougyJ DougyJ is offline
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Hi skires

I know you are not trying to discourage me, quite the opposite.

I see what you mean about shooting the course from the chair or from a predominantly prone position as many of the targets are set up this way.

You are absolutely correct about shooting against myself and trying to beat my personal best and also my son as we have a healthy competition between us for just about everything. Some of the courses I have shot including my own club I have had to take the shot from further back as it was just not safe for me to get closer to the peg without the risk of falling over. I do understand that this is not the same target but it is more difficult or it is easier?????? I totally get the fact that some targets are going to be more difficult from certain positions due to a downward slope or branches in the way but this could be exactly the same for me from the chair.
If the target is already on a downward slope, I too have to deal with that incline and this is likely to be more difficult for me as I don't have the abdominal support, therefore it is much more difficult. There have also been targets that have been visible from a prone position but from the chair there was a tree or another obstacle in the way, but I am happy to deal with that.

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Old 27th June 2013, 12:09 PM
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"When setting out courses you must place targets and pegs to allow for both right handed, left handed and Junior shooters taking part in the event" This line is taken from the current UKAHFT course format. In Scotland we use this course format also, as I believe do other countries. The format is very good, but perhaps it should include wheelchair users in the above quoted line. Being a course designer/builder I know the effect it will have on obscured/off the peg style shots, but we have no options in my mind as we must provide every shooter with the chance to take part. I would be interested to hear (read) what Scooby or Sparky think we could do to insure HFT is accessible to all, and yet not to easy for the top shots. By that last sentence I mean, if I put out a shot which is visible for both right handed, left handed, junior and wheelchair user, then I cannot disguise the range of the shot by making the shooter have to shoot through a tight hole in branches or other obstacles.
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