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Old 11th April 2013, 06:17 PM
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could allways start 8am, just a thought, that may save most time.
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Old 11th April 2013, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by JonathanN View Post
Why not groups of 3 in the morning with say 3 feeder lanes giving you 84 shooters, then a second round in pairs with feeder lanes as required giving you a further 50 plus shooters followed by a third round in pairs with feeder lanes as required giving a further 50 plus shooters.

Minimum with the above 184 shooter plus the option of feeder lanes in the afternoon, while this may not reduce the overall finish time for the shoot it would certainly reduce the amount of time spent standing on the range and queuing between lanes.

As Shaun has mentioned the BFTA does not stipulate a booking in method so there may be shooters turning up on the day wanting to shoot so potentially even greater numbers

If there are groups of 4 (2+2) in the afternoon I hope there will by toilet facilities close by for the Ladies at least (and plenty of bushes)

If shooters get put off by excessive time spent queuing on the range the problem of over subscription will cure itself but benefit no one.

maybe to late for the first GP but possibly the second one
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Old 11th April 2013, 08:08 PM
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It's the age old problem. How to pack more on a course.

Looking at solutions for the worlds so it will be interesting to see the results.

One target per lane has been suggested by a seasoned and respected shooter so it may be worth a little test lane at a gp one day with a timer. Try the 4 per lane, 3, 2, and 1-2-3 targets per lane. Get a few to have a go and see how long longest takes.

With our system I can burn time off the clock. With the international one its hard to know what starts the clock but most are sporting and start it when they start to work the lane. Trouble is neither solution solves those who natter on their bums after taking their shots or who take time to get in their lane. Difficult to control but often the cause of a buildup.

But at least we have the problem of getting more into a shoot rather than getting people shooting.

Does show how popular ft and hft is when numbers are hard to keep below 200 twice a month all season.
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Old 11th April 2013, 08:13 PM
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Just a thought..

Why not keep sitting lanes as 2 targets and have 1 target as a discipline lane...?

That technically means you'd have 30 lanes to shoot meaning you could easily cater 180 shooters for am and pm shooters. If you have feeder lanes then you have that few more who could shoot..

So 20 lanes sitting
5 or 6 lanes standing and 4 or 5 lanes kneeling...?
Put in the discipline lane as 1 or 1 and a half minutes per lane...?

Just something I thought about before...?

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Old 11th April 2013, 08:35 PM
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That sounds a good idea,better than having two session's in the afternoon,can you imagine what time people will be getting back home,especially on a far one,not to mention the possibility of more stoppages,plus having to stay back even longer if your fortunate enough to be in shoot off's.
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Old 11th April 2013, 08:39 PM
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That's exactly what I was thinking about Berty, 1 target per lane in disciplines and 1min from eye to scope for that target.
20 sitting lanes of 2 targets
10 discipline lanes of 1 target

Therefore there will be 30 people shooting at any one time, compared to only 25 shooting.

If the numbers continue to increase then it can only go one way and that's 1 target per lane for all targets, that would mean 50 people will be shooting simultaneously. Time will have to drop to 1 min per lane though.
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Old 11th April 2013, 09:29 PM
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That sounds good but won't the 1 target standing in 1 minute lane mean it is cleared for the next group more quickly? With a queue forming on the subsequent lanes? Maybe go the unthinkable - 3 standers, 3 mins and the next lanes will be eased?

Some spend quite a lot of time pulling strings, tossing leaves, dust, powder getting settled which is all good but maybe that needs an experiment added to Rob's list. Maybe 30secs after sitting down before the eye-to-the-scope clock starts or something else along those lines? I always pull the strings just to make sure I know which targets are which especially since the numbers can be hard to read (e.g. at the Inters where a black number with a silver border on a red plate - looks pretty but they all look the same until you put the scope on them). And as for crossed strings. Alternating colour plates between lanes would reduce the need to check?
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Old 11th April 2013, 09:45 PM
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The reason for 1 discipline target per lane is too make extra lanes.

This thread is about trying to get more people on the courses....!

The course setters need to equally place the discipline lanes which would then keep the times and flow moving nicely

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Old 11th April 2013, 10:03 PM
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If we did set it out to have 30 lanes...

3 shooters per lane equals 90 per squad..

You might be able to put feeder lanes on at the discipline lanes, say 3 of the lanes that means 99 shooters..

Combined that is 198 total..

Not a bad idea from a thick Welshman....?

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Old 11th April 2013, 10:20 PM
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How about 50 targets spread over 30 lanes.
10 lanes of 1 target.
3 lanes of 2 standers
2 lanes of 2 kneelers
15 lanes of 2 sitting targets.

1min 30secs for a 2 target lane, 1min for standing lanes and 1min for single target lanes.
I make that 38.5minutes of 'shooting time'.

Current 25 lanes @ 2 mins = 50mins 'shooting time'

OK so extra 5 lanes gives extra string pulling, arse scratching and nose picking time, but gives you 180 shooters in 2 sessions, 10 per session 'feed-on' and you've got 200 shooters in 2 sessions.
Single target and standing lanes spread equally over the course to avoid bunching.
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