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Old 15th April 2017, 08:42 AM
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You're right about the hunting thing, after doing Emley I can't wait to go out and shoot a REAL Spiderpig!!!

There's plates and then there's plates, most FT lads would get a pat on the back for just hitting the plate ( which is often less than 40 mil at any point) in HFT, and you certainly won't find any 'realistic' hunting targets on an FT course......

( dear Evo, the ft comment is sarcasm x )

ps, anyone fancy comin' out for Little devil thing with horns hunt?
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Old 15th April 2017, 09:06 AM
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Re buying yourself better in FT, if my experiences are anything to go by you couldn't be further from the truth. I kept "bettering" myself, ending up with a new 2011 Steyr, X80 March, system Gemini plus all the whistles & bells and eventually won national B grade. After that year my scores didn't alter one jot and in fact where usually worse! Why? because I had reached my natural level and no matter what I did I couldn't improve. I ended up, stupidly as it turned out selling everything because I didn't enjoy shooting anymore. I've returned to shooting recently because I miss the banter and p**s taking, but I know my limits and just intend to enjoy my shooting again. So in a nutshell "you can't buy ability" no matter what sport/pastime you partake in.
Couldn't agree with you more Paul.
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Old 15th April 2017, 09:19 AM
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Couldn't agree with you more Paul.
You're on fine form yourself Darron, quiet Saturday morning polishing your massive buthook whilst thinking about how similar equipment is in both disciplines..
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Old 15th April 2017, 09:25 AM
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The only place you will find a 40mm kill these days is on a FT shoot, most of our targets are 25mm at 40 yards or 15mm at 25.

You get 35mm at 45 yards (prone), but hardly ever a 40mm,unless it's a 40 yard supported standing shot.
HFT has to have those small kills because of the rock solid stance on most shots. It's no point having a rifle capable of 10mm groups at 45 yards, shooting it rock solid rested on the floor, and having 40mm kills. We did that for several years and the shoot offs took longer than the courses with lots of shooters clearing or scoring very high fifties. Look what happens on windy days with the small kills.
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Old 15th April 2017, 09:28 AM
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Here goes:::::

I do FT @castle in Nottinghamshire but a sequence of events ie hospital, mate or I can't get, weather so and so on since November last year.

I can't afford the time to commit to two specialists, I have a EV2 MK4 mk3 Nikko & LGV Comp sidewinder 30

I keep having the thought of going all out HFT keeping the EV and rescoping or selling EV & scope getting a daystate regal and a.Leupold scope...........

Has any one on here had a similar dilemma, did you change what was.the outcome???

I am going to Kelmarsh on Sunday to have a good look at HFT

Not asked the question yet but would Castle allow me to shoot HFT positions just as practice?

Any replies greatly appreciate.
I'm almost on the flip side of this. I got in to HFT almost 10 years ago mainly because it was more accessible. I was in Cheltenham at the time and must have read or heard about HFT and got in contact with Pete Sparkes who invited me down to Quarry and from there I got in to the HFT scene. Now I'm down in Devon FT seems to be the more accessible discipline, although they do HFT it's not the same as UKAHFT as it goes out to 55yds.

The argument over which is better or requires more skill in my mind is pointless, they both require skill albeit some different skills are required for each.
You'll never win in HFT if you can't judge distance or come up with a fool proof way gauging it, period. FT can overcome this to a greater degree buy using your scope. Both require the shooter to be able to read the conditions on the course, wind basically, but with FT the trajectory of the pellet and the wind effect is just that much greater beyond 45 and out to 55yds.

I'd also say that the HFT prone position is about as stable as they come, while the FT position by its very nature isn't. In either FT or HFT you'll find it's the guys that can do the positional shots (kneeling and standing) which will be top of the crop; you can buy the most expensive kit you want but if you can't shoot accurately kneeling and standing then you will never be a top shooter.

I started HFT with an EV2 and MTC fixed x10 and there are still plenty around that still do so there's no reason why you can't use yours. Get yourself an appropriate scope for HFT and give it ago and see what you prefer. I don't know what the clubs are like your way so I can say what's more popular or if they do both.

I've got my Steyr set up now with two scopes on leupold QRW mounts so I can shoot HFT then FT (that's possible down in the South west) so I can shoot, and enjoy them both for different reasons.
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HFT has to have those small kills because of the rock solid stance on most shots. It's no point having a rifle capable of 10mm groups at 45 yards, shooting it rock solid rested on the floor, and having 40mm kills. We did that for several years and the shoot offs took longer than the courses with lots of shooters clearing or scoring very high fifties. Look what happens on windy days with the small kills.
Not all shooters, shoot of the deck. Some shoot from the shoulder and up the peg, this is certainly not rock steady.

HFT (unlike FT) does not use but hooks, knee risers, gimp suits, hamsters the size of shoe boxes, range finding computers attached to the scope, scopes that tell you the range of the target, bean bags like arm chairs, temperature gauges, spirit levels, plus a whole host of other things.

We have a gun, a scope, some pellets and a small wooden peg that we are allowed to grip.
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HFT has to have those small kills because of the rock solid stance on most shots. It's no point having a rifle capable of 10mm groups at 45 yards, shooting it rock solid rested on the floor, and having 40mm kills. We did that for several years and the shoot offs took longer than the courses with lots of shooters clearing or scoring very high fifties. Look what happens on windy days with the small kills.
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[QUOTE=scutter;262560]Not all shooters, shoot of the deck. Some shoot from the shoulder and up the peg, this is certainly not rock steady.



But the others have the rifle butt rested on the deck with the forend/hamster resting on their padded shooting glove which is on the floor touching the peg.............that is pretty solid for a shooting stance.
I shot for years with the butt in the shoulder because as a serving member of her majestys Marines I couldn't bring myself to shoot the rifle with the butt resting on the deck
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I'm fed up of cricket already and it's not technically started yet.
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