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Old 5th January 2016, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by skires View Post
Is it because they want to be in a class of shooters of a similar level ... or is it because the same courses are shot by everyone and the courses are too tough for newbies, who get fed up of keep getting low scores?

The sport has evolved by keep making courses harder to keep it competitive for the top end shooters and reduce the chances of too many clears ( smaller kills ... smaller kills at further distances ... reducers on positionals ... 35mm on most prone long distance shots ). This has been driven by better kit, a solid HFT prone stance used for most shots ( 24/30 ) and the standard of shooters getting higher ( some decent FT lads started shooting HFT ). This means newbies are shooting courses that are far too tough for them. Even with the 1 point for a knockdown their scores will be low. People want to knock targets over.

In most sports newbies get to develop by competing against people of their own level ( in FT / HFT you are really competing against the course ... the course is your opposition ... not other people ). In other sports, as they progress the competition gets harder. You don't have under 13's juniors in cricket facing a 1st XI 25 year old 85mph fast bowler in their first game. I'd imagine in showjumping you don't have young girls on ponies taking on an Olympic standard course in their first year.

The problem is it's practical to set the same course for everyone. It may have been better to have courses that were reasonably easy with most shots taken HFT prone ( bigger kills ) but would still be tough if you had to take far more shots in positionals. You then have an 'entry' class where the newbies shoot most of the targets prone ( like it is now ... but they would get more targets as more of the kills were relaxed a bit ). So they would gain confidence and keep coming back.

Maybe elite in metres , starters in yards OMG don't go there !!!!

The more experienced/better shooters ( average over a certain score over a number of shoots ) shoot the same course but have to take more shots standing/kneeling.

Once the 'entry' level shooters reach that standard then they too go into the main class that takes more positionals.

More encouraging to youngsters and newbies. More interesting for the main class. Less shoot offs ( note that you don't shoot prone in shoot offs ... yet 24/30 shots on a course taken prone ... so get more positionals for the better shooters on the course to test them ). Less of a lottery on all the small kills on windy days.

Maybe a large club like MAD could trial it and see if it encourages more youngsters/newbies to have a go and keep coming back.

There are so many people now shooting target stuff that it won't be too hard to fill comps like the main Nationals etc. What's happening number wise at local club level? Are there still as many newbies coming in and still there in a year or so? Club shoot numbers climbing? If club numbers are still climbing and the number of people taking it up and dropping out within a year is very minimal then it's all good. I don't know how easy it is to try and compare how many people are shooting target sports ( which may look good ) to how many people could have been shooting it if the youngsters/newbies kept at it?

Maybe a thread on the internet boards asking youngsters, ladies and general newbies if they tried tin chicken target sports, and if they walked away within a shortish period of time, then why ... not a class for them to compete against shooters of similar level ... courses too hard, so fed up of getting very low scores ... etc.

Like a bit of market research/feedback.
Hmm , not too sure about altering the format of the course regarding the number of positionals , that could lead to all sorts of problems ,
The longer targets take more judging for distance and both wind so maybe reduce the overall distances for the respective KZ sizes for a newbie class by 15%or similar , they would still get to practise all the correct number of disciplines but over a reduced distance thus gaining more confidence along the way .

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Steyr ?, maybe , they cant all be wrong?

Last edited by vinny; 5th January 2016 at 10:40 AM.
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