Originally Posted by verminator
I have been thinking a bit more about why if "feels wrong" to lump 2 competitions into one. Consider the position that since there is only one set of results, in reality, only one competition took place. Only one shot was taken at each target. Trying to extrapolate a second set of results from that, is where it's going wrong.
I accept that there is a small element of luck in the sport, but at the UKAHFT level, most competitors put a lot of time, effort and money into competing. The whole point of a competition is to try and win, so it's a bit more than a light stroll and plink. Let's have a easy and fair scoring method that everybody understands.
You're not extrapolating a score from a second set of rules, it's one competition with one set of rules.
Countback is a part of the rules and a part of the competition.
The problem is a problem of limited time and resources, given that limitation countback is quite a fair system. It's not perfect, but I think it's fair. First person to miss starting from target 1 is the loser - pretty simple, pretty fair and involves the same shooting skill that's required to shoot the competition. Shooting in a shoot off is a different skillset to shooting in a competition.
Setting up shoot off targets, running round the place trying to find the people needed to shoot in the shoot off, waiting for them to get their gun back out of the car and put a fill of air in, all takes a lot of time. I've had to organise enough of them to know it's a pain in the arris. A shoot off can add an extra hour or more to the end of a competition, and it's not just the other shooters it delays, very often the hosting club can't start packing away the
course until the shoot offs have finished either.
When you're talking about what's fair - have a thought for what's fair to ask of the hosting club, all the other competitors and the organisers? Is it fair to ask the other competitors to hang around for an hour or so at the end of the shoot to wait for shoot offs to finish? What happens if one of the shooters in the shootoff has had to leave early? - do they forfeit?, so the winner becomes the person who has enough spare time to hang around until the end of the shoot. What shooting skill does that involve?
Is it fair to ask the hosting clubs to delay packing away for an hour or two, after they've been working hard since the crack of dawn to set the thing up? Is it fair to ask the organisers to put in all the extra work involved in running shoot offs? These people are giving up their time for free so everyone can have a fun, safe days shooting. I guess if you're willing to pay £50 entry fee each you could probably afford to pay wages and overtime - that would seem fair to me then. Whilst people are working for free, be grateful for the time they put in and think long and hard before you start asking for them to do more for nothing.
If you could come up with a fairer system (that doesn't involve any delays at the end of the shoot) I'm sure the two Pete's would be very interested to hear it.
Not having a pop at you personally, I've just had enough experience of running events to know that when someone says - "oh that shouldn't take too much time", I suspect they've never had to organise one.