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Old 29th October 2013, 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by fatwelshboy View Post
The last series started at Avon Hawks. There were some arguments because WAFTA had no rule allowing a shooter to elect up to a higher grade. An emergency meeting was held on the morning of the next shoot (Blaenau). The result of the meeting, as I recall, was that shooters could elect to go up a single grade and that all shooters must elect to go up by the third shoot of the series. This was a one series deal and that the next series would be shot with grades locked down. Notes were recorded at the meeting so perhaps these need to be dug out as my recollection may be slightly off.

Gary's right about the standers being over the combined distance, not a big problem but if WAFTA shoots are not to BFTA rules then what rules are there? The standing lane was flagged up before any shooters had shot it and the reply was "the course doesn't need to be to BFTA rules, it's WAFTA main rules today". If that is correct then where are the main rules for WAFTA?

It would be nice to know before the first shoot so people aren't arguing over grades again. Finally, if WAFTA are using their own rules can the scores be put into the BFTA rolling twenty?
Hi Chris, I copied these from the wafta grading rules sheet i have a copy of.

7. Shooters cannot elect to shoot in a class other than their graded class.
I believe that was changed at an AGM but I have not seen an updated Grading rules sheet since then?

The last series actually started at Oaktree, then B/G, Avon Haks, Quarry then Nelson (WFTF Qualifiers)
The series was a 16 shoot series running from Oct 2012 - sept 2013.

I cant remember seeing any official resords of a meeting at B/Gwent, but I may have missed them?
Suggest you Contact Pat for clarification.

There is no combined distance in Main shoot rules Chris, download the Main shoot rules and Gp rules from BFTA website and have a read through them.
I am sure on the old wafta website it stated Wafta shoots are shot to bfta main shoot rules, same as the other regions who use them. Wafta comp sec should be able to confirm.

Originally Posted by Conor View Post
Not wishing to intrude in issues that I have no knowledge of, although I am of the understanding that the combined distance ruling for a discipline lane is only for the BFTA GP series.
BFTA main rule stipulates a max dist of 45yrds for discipline shot.
A course only needs to be set out to BFTA rules IF they are being sent for BFTA grading IMO.

It dont usually stop you !!

You are of course correct on main shoot rules.

Originally Posted by fudge-1200 View Post
am sure if you have the time the Wafta web master would welcome input from you or others to help update things, not just shoot dates but perhaps photos, reports etc.
Its your wafta
I have attempted to contact the WAFTA web master to get Castletons details put up as there are none showing all to no avail. Do you have a special line to this person, if so could you please share it with me/us.

Only the contact details on the wafta website. I must say Julia has always responded within a reasonable time frame.

Originally Posted by fudge-1200 View Post
Have just received this message from Pat, I will put it on here as it is very unlikely it will appear on the WAFTA site.

Hi All,
I have been informed that the above shoot to be held on the 3rd November at Oaktree has been changed to the 1st December due to the farmer having to carry out maintenance work on the access road to the ground.

regards Pat.

Yes, general emails about this recieved yesterday and today. Seems all clubs were notified?

Originally Posted by harry 400 View Post
asking on behalf of a few disabled shooters.what about kneelers and standers now in WAFTA is there an open class or do they carry on as before with the alternative position they would like to know before the first shoot so BFTA or not BFTA .SORRY FOR THE HIJACK

This was discussed in Wafta after the Bfta ruling in March ? John Lewis I am sure then informed Wafta that shooters not taking a kneeling shot Kneeling or Standing, or taking a Standing shot Standing would be graded as Open as regards BFTa.
Wafta however seems to include disabled shooters scores "as is" and that is wafta perogative.
The two gradinging systems are seperate to some extent.

The bfta would like to see all regions introducing the Open class however. Open is a class that is for all that wish to use it.

Originally Posted by BDL View Post
Looks like we have two shoots in a row now 1st & 8th Dec

I'm sticking to **** up in a brewery

Interesting comments Brian.
I wonder, given the repsonse to past comments I have made on an open forum About Wafta, what the power that be will make of your comments?
Perhaps they will have a drink while discussing?

Personally, as the shoots are a week apart I cant see much of a problem, as long as the weather is not an issue?
Family day saturday, shoot day Sunday. Works for those of us who shoot week in week out.

Originally Posted by sportsmatch View Post
Make that 3 Brian 24 nov 1 dec and the 8 dec

Week in, week out

Originally Posted by BDL View Post
Some Clever rearranging gone on there, might as well shoot all the winter shoots this year lol
Don't see the turn outs being brilliant with those dates
I did not think there were any "winter" shoots, its a 16 shoot series?
Turn outs have not been very good for at least the last 12 months. Its not just wafta however.
Maybe access to some grounds, maybe some grounds are not deemed worthy to travel to. Combination of both?
If the answer was known, then perhaps wafta and other regions would start seeing increased numbers again?

Have to say Neafta seem to have the right format and from experience Mfta do, realy enjoying the Mfta winter series (Well done and thanks to all that have so far run and orgianised the events) even to the point where I am letting Mr.Blobby Pump me.
Only till Xmas thoguh!

Originally Posted by BDL View Post
Don't think much thoughts gone in to this one, short
If the dates were spread out and stuck to then turn outs might be better, it's all about communications.
No one seems to know what's going on.

So how does a club stick to a date if the weather or some other set of circumastances dictate the shoot can not go ahead?
Clubs spend time preparing lanes, planning course (least some do) and so no shoot is called off lightly

I am presuming at your Club, B/Gwent, if there were 3 foot of snow on the ground on Dec 7th the shoot would still be on Dec 8th?

Originally Posted by BDL View Post
Parking doesn't bother me so 'nope don't think I would'.
Seems as everyone seems to be questioning if there's a shoot on or not yep poor communications
Attitude maybe a reason for poor turn outs in the past....
Given I'd offered to bring 3 other down as they don't like the track and encouraged others to go, maybe I will give it a miss and save the fuel.
And thats the problem, Parking dont bother you, but I suspect the farmer does not want his rain soaked land torn up by Ft shooters trying to park?
Mike sent out an official cancellation of the shoot, Pat has passed that on.
I edited the shoot dates on here so it seems official enough to me and all was done with as much notice as was possible.

Its up to you if you attend or not
Personally i attend shoots were the zero range is more than an after thaught and where a club has thaught about Course layout, rather than just walked a line plonking targets out!
I go to Shoot well thaught out courses, thats the imnportant bit for me.

Its a field (or wooded ground) sport so i dont expect a road to lane one!
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